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We should probably make a post in that thread, or make a separate thread that has the template for people who want to join N. I know several people that wanted to join N that were confused and couldn't find the template easily.

Heh, yeah, just did it. Spent 3 hours on the thread so far, going to take a break will finish it up later =D

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nice friggin post man. gave you some karma for that beast.

Still a work in progress. Just wanted to get all the info spread out all over the place in 50 different stickies in one place and something we can update when things change (there are probably 15 different threads on the sticky rule alone  ;D).

Updated quite a bit today. Rules section is done except for fixing any typos, or making any changes (I think octo has gone over it briefly and made a couple) or corrections that are pointed out.

Added a progress thing just so people don't point out that there is no donation info yet and stuff like that.  ;D

Any comments, corrections, suggestions on the finished sections is welcome. There's probably a million typos, so pointing those out is helpful.

3 more sections done, 3 to go.

Some additions and clarifications to 7. Server/Community Rules (http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103154.html#msg103154):

Added introduction.

* 3. Do not be abusive to other players greatly expanded, more specific examples and explanations added.

* New paragraph pasted into Octo qoute in 7. Do not argue with admins.

* More references added. Few typo and spelling corrections.

*Examples added to 10. Do not engage in any other excessively disruptive behavior.

Server and admin list updated, command list completed.


wheeee super productive day, now if I could only direct my efforts to the actual money-making tasks....


 ;D

Okay, more or less finished, still need to add the donator info when the details are finalized, otherwise done except for error correction and any changes Octo want's to make.

 ;D

 [Noiice] for the effort

Teamspeak server info added
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103147.html#msg103147

GOODIE!

Updated rules related to team stacking and dodging autobalance.

http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103154.html#msg103154

Server list and admin list updated.

Servers
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103137.html#msg103137

Admins
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103139.html#msg103139

Question: Is the secondary spawn drop-down on 2fort part of the no-stickying spawn rule?

There was a discussion a few nights ago and some said yes, some said no.  The drop-down is both see-through and has blind spots, hence the confusion.  So I'm just wondering if we can make a decision on that and include it in the rules.  :)

I believe it's kosher to sticky there. Plus it's also a high-risk area for the demo doing the camping since they could get flanked from another direction pretty easily. I occasionally place stickies on there as a precaution while i'm trying to make my way into the enemy base but the majority of the time you'll find yourself being attacked from elsewhere or walking away from that spawn area so you can no longer see if there are enemies dropping down, or walking by that spot.

I'm not a regular 2fort guy, so I dunno specifically, (it took me a minute just to figure out what door you were talking about  ;)) but in general the rule only applies to the shutter style spawn doors.

Since the spot you are talking about (I think?) doesn't actually have a door on it which directly leads to spawn, I think it'd be okay, but I dunno, I can't recall ever actually running into the situation in game the 3-4 hours I play 2fort in a year  ;D

I think the door in the basement by the intel room is generally okay as well, since its not a spawn, but just a resupply room (to the best of my knowledge).

I'm talking about the secondary spawn where there are two exits.  One is an opening in the floor where you can drop down; the other leads to the sniper deck a.k.a. battlements.

Another point that was brought up was that there's a bit of a ledge at the drop-down, and it's possible to hide stickies under the ledge.  So yes you can see through the exit, but you can't always see the stickies because of the angles and blind spots etc.

The only spawn exits that stickies are really disallowed on, to my knowledge, are shutter doors. Anything else (Including see-through grate doors) is fine.

exactly, only the garage door style doors are prohibited

This brings an evil smile to my face for some unknown reason.

so does this include the resupply room down in the intel? Crap said it's ok here and Son said it's ok in-game, but people have complained when I've done it in the past.

Creepy... *shudder*

Yep, you can sticky the resupply room to your heart's content. It's not a spawn point and the people that hide in there do so at their own risk against a demo.

and the demo doing it has to worry about more than one spot, as people don't have to spawn right there and walk out. They can come from many directions down at the resupply.

Also, if you do find yourself stuck in the basement resupply be aware that you can switch classes while in there and you'll instantly be transported into one of the main spawn areas. Might not be ideal, but it can be useful at times.

only garage style SPAWN doors.. my bad for not being specific above. 

I added some specific examples of the stickying rule.

Added in info on posting images using new plugin octo kindly installed.

http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg106482.html#msg106482

Admins and server list updated, let me know if you see any mistakes.

Add info about raffles, lottos and scams to rules under advertising section.
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103154.html#msg103154

Generally if it's not a Newbs admin running it, don't do it, don't participate in it. There's nothing we can do to help you get items back if someone rips you off. If you want to run some sort of even like this, you need to talk to an admin and it has to be cleared with Octo first.

Updated admins, tags, and server lists.
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6144.msg103137.html#msg103137

Admin list updated with how to find admins, admin list moved to top, tag explanation moved to bottom.

Command list updated with some new commands (not yet available on all servers)
!admins
!rules (now points to detailed forum rules)
!commands (now points to commands list in forums)
!servers (opens server list in motd window)

Updated some links that were still pointing to the old threads. Let me know if any of you catch any outdated links or anything.

Server list updated.

http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6885.0.html

Server list and admins list updated. Admin list is still incomplete pending more information and some upcoming changes/additions.

Server List
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6885.0.html

Admin List and Community Tags
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6884.0.html

Newbs, y u no have arena server?

just never really had the crowd for one. If a few people really wanted one I'm sure we could figure something out, but I think we tried in the past and it didn't do too well.

We had one, it sat empty all the time so we shut it down.

The problem with arena is that, until you get enough people, the person(s) starting it just sit there in spec unable to even run around the map to amuse themselves, so no one ever wants to start them.

See here for the 2nd (at least) attempt at having a newbs arena server:
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,2731.0.html

Yep. The 1st arena was actually sponsored by Ggglygy and myself, but it was too boring trying to start it. There's definitely a crowd for arena out there, but takes more effort than most other game-modes to keep going. I'd rather put in the time and effort to keep a rotation server going.

Hello everyone :3 i just join here :D i love the server of 2fort :D there's alot of great people playing in there.. LiQuiD is my friend and he told me to join :3 so THANK YOU LIQUID!! :D

hehe wrong thread but no biggie asuka invite sent =)

Admin list is now up to date and automatically generated by Octo magic.

Admin List and Community Tags
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6884.0.html

The full list of admins can now be found here:
http://tf2newbs.com/admins/admin_list.php

Does the green/red background show online/offline?

Red are global admins, green are admins with access only on those servers.

2Fort Terminology images added.
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6898.0.html

Added information on how to use reserve slots.

Using Reserved Slots
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,8520.0.html

If you have a server you have a reserve to that you frequently visit, you can also bind it to a key.

bind <key> <command>
bind F5 connect server1.tf2newbs.com

 [Noiice]

Thanks, added it to the main post and moved this message here.

Is there anyway to find out which servers one has reserves on? I believe I have one on 12 for whatever reason, 8 'cause I *was* an admin, and 6 because I am admin there?

If admin was removed/moved from a server you won't have a reserve there anymore either unless you paid for one separate (reserve slots are actually handled by an admin flag).

As for knowing which ones you have one on, you'd have to ask octo. I could tell you for individual servers when you are on the server, but you'd have to join every server for me to tell you yes/no for each =)

Since we seem to have an abundance of people who are too stupid for their own good and keep talking themselves into longer bans, rebans or just generally shitting on any chance they ever had at getting unbanned I've updated the ban protest information.

Protesting Bans/Getting Unbanned
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6894.msg111905.html#msg111905

Updated unban info post.

http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6894.0.html

Please direct banned users/protests to that post rather than telling them to post on the forums, etc.

Regarding your latest update (http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6894.0.html), Crap:


should be "unbanned"

Fixed, thanks. Bit of a freudian slip maybe =D

Hi, I was reading the rules, and I was wondering, what does "civilian heavy" mean? And what happens if you press F10 in the middle of a game?

Civilian Heavy is an old glitch/exploit that makes you useless to your team.  Google it if you're curious, just don't grief with it server-side.  If it's even still possible anyway.  F10 in TF2 quits the game.  It's telling someone to alt+f4 basically.  But most people don't know what it does, so... Yeah.  Not nice.

Updated the Becoming an Admin post with some more detailed info:

Becoming an Admin
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6893.0.html

You guys still looking for admins for #15? I'm up for it.

One of the head admins will let you know if you become admin.
Just post in the thread about server 15 admins that you want it and they will contact you if you are chosen.

Updated server rules to include server-specific rules for jump servers.

Server/Community Rules
http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6889.0.html


Server Specific Rules - Jump Servers

No killing on the jump servers

Sorry, still trying to navigate the forums. I just donated today and besides a reserved slot, are there any other benefits like autobalance and after game immunity?

Nope.

Not at present. We've had things in the past that valve ending up breaking and there have been plans to add things, but they require skills and time and time is something the people with the skills often don't have so it's just reserves for now  :)

may i ask why the server 4 doesn't have an option to record replays? :C

Well at least let me have "green font". LOL! No worreis. I realize it varies server to server depending on what they can and can't do. The last server I donated I got all that, but I like it here better and the your clan seems pretty fun (so far). Thanks again.

http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,8411.0.html

oh i see... Thanks Crap! :D

RE: High-Five Glitch

While it isn't a rampant issue, I was wondering what the current stance is on the high-five glitch. On the occasions someone uses it, I am at a disadvantage, because I can't see a heavy begin to spin-up, or I can't see if a soldier is using his RL or a shotgun, making reflections as a pyro and tactics as a scout a bit tougher. Some admins have been cool with it, but over the past year or so of playing on #8 I've also seen a couple of notifications using the admin-voice-of-God requesting players to cease the glitch.

Personally, I'd like to see some sort of consistent, cut-and-dry way of approaching this, whether it's allowed or disallowed. But for the record, I typically quit a server when an otherwise mediocre player is using this glitch to his/her advantage in order to gain the upper hand on the opposing team.

I am at a disadvantage because I don't know much about it.  Can they cause it on purpose?  It is random/accidental?  But I agree with you that it's an unfair advantage, and I will kick someone for it, once they come back in, it is gone.  I always warn to stop doing it first, but I'm not sure if they can stop it, once it starts!!! 

It is very possible to force the high-five glitch, unfortunately it's also completely possible to do it accidentally. What's even more annoying, sometimes it doesn't show up for everyone, which makes dealing with it as an admin a bit more troublesome (if I can't see it I'm going on someone else's words). It's a bit bothersome as it screws with the weapon models and can in some cases give certain classes an unfair advantage (spies are hindered badly by it, the high five stance works through disguises)

Is there a client-side fix for it (a la recording a demo for invisible players)?

Hello. I'm new to your tf2newbs website but have been an active member of your servers.

I just wanted to say that your Jump Server # 23 needs more admins / Active admins.

That server is my main Jump server and i see a lot of the time ( especially today --- November 11th 2013) that they're people breaking the rules all the time or trying to spam trade and especially kill people constantly.

I think you guys should look into getting more admins because me personally i get a little annoyed when i try to tell people / other people try to tell people to follow the rules..

Thanks and have a nice day

Thanks for the info, spez.  You can join the tf2newbs chatroom at the link up above (top-left, where it says "X in [N] Chat"), or feel free to add me (http://steamcommunity.com/id/kamodius/home/).  If I'm online, I'm always happy to help.

I'd also like to suggest for the #23 server as well. That you guys add a time limit of sorts, because right now the server stays on one map in till it gets RTV'd and most of the time no one stays long enough to RTV so I always end up playing / seeing the same map over and over all day because it doesn't get rtv'd, and a lot of the time i always see people complaining it's always on the same maps

Thanks Spez

The best way to do it on a jump server is to have an automatic vote every 30-60 minutes.  It pops up, but everyone on gets to vote.  It can be extremely frustrating to work hard on a jump map, and make progress only to be switching maps before you finish it, etc. 

I understand that, but I practically only play on #23 Server and I've seen it on Jump _ Adventure for hours on end and no one RTVS they just leave once they get Frustrated or beat the map.

I think maybe putting the vote timer on for an hour would be really nice. This way people who are really good or bad don't have to stay on an easy / hard map, and this way we can have more people joining in the long run if they see the server is on a different map.

Would an intermittent in-chat popup that says something like "If you want to change maps, type rtv in chat" sound like a good idea? Let's people know about the function while not restricting map times.

That sounds like a good idea. This way people can RTV if they please, I can always tell you guys and gals that if this new pop-up doesn't work as intended too that you guys might need to figure another way.

I have an idea.  If we could make medics and engineers with building immune to team switch.  It sucks to lose a medic, and let's face it, medics are serving their team, they should get a medal, not autobalance!  And it really sucks when your team has an engy, who has the sentry central to your defense strategy and they get autobalanced and their buildings go POOF.  So if we could give those two classes autobalance immunity, that'd be great.  (I realize it COULD be taken advantage of, but it'd take some real attention to detail and switching all the time, etc, so I think it's worth a shot.)

Is there a way that for the jump servers you can make like a notice or a saying that pops up in chat saying " Type /s to save /t to teleport and /r to reset" Because me personally and i know a bunch of other people hate the chat being spammed with !t and !s at times and it's hard to read some ones message if they need help. Just curious and a suggestion

thanks

:)

I also 1 up this. Although there was a time I only reg'd the Jump servers but dont play tf2 very often now, It may not be a bad idea to broadcast the commands in chat, or maybe even how to bind them, (I have my commands binded, so I dont spam chat).

That would be very helpful...especially those of us who are new to jump servers  :)

Can we get more maps for the jump servers? Cause i feel like the people who play the server often would like to get some more jump maps. ( #23)

and maybe have more then just rocket jumping maps maybe some demo maps

just a suggestion..

Thanks

:D

Do you know of any maps that seem fairly popular that we dont currently have? Any suggestions would be awesome

Maps that would be nice to see is

Maps
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Jump_steel
jump_orbital
jump_void
jump_typh

I was also curious are the Jumper servers only going to be rocket jumping servers or is it possible to get some demo maps?

Thanks
:D

Thank you for the suggestion, as with the RL maps, toss up some popular suggestions and we will see if we can get them incorporated into our servers

Since Newbs is for the new players and beginners (as well as non beginners) I think it would be awesome to have something like a group class or something.  What I mean is if other more senior members are willing all of us beginners can get together with some people who know what they are doing so they can 'show us the ropes' so to speak.  Nothing fancy or advanced just the basics on how to get around, basic tips etc.  Writing them in the forums help a lot but sometimes it's great to actually see things in practice.

Sometimes I have difficulty explaining myself so if you need clarification let me know.

I know some of the more advanced players have done things like this in a 1on1 setting with some people.
Things like this might be helpful to the newer players too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0MhVeBTGhs&list=SPC003B19DD3808CCD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCg7ngQ_iWI&list=PL0CC456BA3D8FF2E6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udSlWfAHeM&list=PL3bcjomTJ5O1wFD5XvrBAbXIYkWb6vaa3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPbmiHd2dw&list=PLEA3D29D4339FF185

Most of these are things that pro players use during their completions but a lot of the things they teach can be used in regular pub play on tf2.

If you have questions I can try to answer them for you if you need.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197987029711/

Awesome, I'll check then out. I learned the best way to learn is to just play, no matter how many times I get killed. Also playing on a low pop server helps.

Hey.

I asked for a couple maps to be put in to the rocket jumping servers and I'm curious if they are ever going to be put in. I do enjoy playing on the rocket jumping server but i feel that the server needs more maps. I find my self having to leave the server to go to another server to play different maps and I rather not have to do that because I enjoy the rocket jumping server you guys have and I'm one of the most active players on it.

Octo and the other admins have lives they tend to. Adding maps to the server is probably pretty low on the scale of things to do for newbs. Id give it a few more weeks then check back. I will however drop this thread link into octos steam chat to make sure he checks it out.

Actually I never saw the original post, I was out of town on vacation.  Do you happen to have download links for them?   you can add me on steam - http://steamcommunity.com/id/octodhd and message me them and I can get them put on tomorrow during the workday, if I have the links it doesnt take much for me to put them on the server

I figure I should follow up on this comment.  If people are interested, I can host a training / class session on a specific class if there's enough interest.  Feel free to add me at Master {N}uunsa (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197967848783/) and I'll put together a date that works for most people.  And if people are looking for specifics on learning things, let me know before / during the lesson and I can help go over that as well.

If you don't feel comfortable learning in a group, I can also offer to do 1 on 1 lessons.  It's up to you guys, but I figured I would offer my services if anyone's interested.

Just a minor correction I'd like to suggest for: http://www.tf2newbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,6889.msg111900.html#5

The image for Bad to Sticky shows a Resupply door even though the green text for Okay to Sticky lists the Resupply Room in 2fort Basement.

Thank you!

That is a main spawn door on badwater, the sign just says resupply, not a lot I can do about that.

oof, gg Valve ._.

Sup!! Im new here

Can giveaways that are completely free, with both no cost for entry and no third part verification be universally permitted? I say this as I would not like to have to ask an admin every time I do a give away for random reasons.

As long as there is no "buy in" or other cost for entry you are free to give away stuff as much as you want. The rule is mainly for raffles, etc. where people are required to make some sort of payment or "contribution" in exchange for a chance at a prize. They often end up being scams or just mismanaged, so we just completely disallow them.